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What Can You Expect After a Bankruptcy? The Time Line

January 9th, 2009 · 5 Comments · Banking, Bankruptcy, Credit Cards, Mortgages

Kristy

by Kristy

Recently, someone called this article to my attention, which extolls the advantages of bankruptcy.  It listed several advantages to doing it and seemed to gloss over the detriments.  It’s written by Jane Bryant Quinn, who is a very respected writer by many journalists (including myself)  about personal finance.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/177749?GT1=43002

To get my two cents in, I have to say that I almost never recommend bankruptcy to people.  They can do less damage to themselves and their finances sometimes by simply not paying burdensome debts.  Sound immoral?  What exactly do you think you’re doing when you file bankruptcy?  You’re getting rid of all those debts.  Are your creditors going to hound you?  Yep.  But I won’t be forever.  Can you can sued?  Yep.  But you can beat this as well.  And as your ace card, you can still file bankruptcy.

I filed a bankruptcy myself in 1995, and it was 10 years of pain.  You can’t expect to get off scott-free for being able to discharge your debts, so I’m not complaining, but I really wish I had known more before making my decision.  It really hindered me unnecessarily financially for 10 years.  I wasn’t looking for a job during these 10 years, so that didn’t factor in, but it definitely will now with the tightening job market.  Here is a time line of how the bankruptcy affected me year by year.

  • First 6 months to a year: No credit cards, loans, insurance rate skyrocketed.
  • 1 year to 2 years: No credit cards except secured cards at outrageous interest, no home refinance possible, insurance rates still high.
  • 2 years to 4 years: Was able to get a decent car loan through a credit union, unsecured card through a credit union, was able to refinance home with mega paperwork explaining the BK after 3 years. Insurance still high because of BK
  • 4 years to 7 years: Credit score below 680, forget about getting an unsecured credit card with any major lender. No department store cards possible. No way to get unsecured card with any major bank, so no frequent flier miles, low initroductory rates, etc. Insurance higher than without a BK
  • 7 years to 10 years – All negatives except the BK fell off. Credit score was 680. Could refinance house at “A” rates without much effort. No way to get unsecured card with any major bank, so no frequent flier miles, low initroductory rates, etc. Insurance rates still slightly higher unless I went with a company who did not pull credit reports.
  • 10 years: BK off report. Score jumped up to 780. Could get any kind of credit I wanted.

You have to remember that times were different in 1995-2005 as far as lending and insurance guidelines, but I haven’t heard much that tells me your experience will be any different then mine if you file a Chapter 7.   That, if you can qualify.  Most people can’t, after the bankruptcy reform bill of 2005.

Based on reader feedback, this is the current market

CREDIT CARDS
Unsecured with a Bankruptcy (in General):
You will not be able to get an unsecured credit card with a bankruptcy (even with a good credit score) showing on your credit report from the following companies: Chase, Citibank, and American Express and Wells Fargo.

Unsecured 3-4 years out of Bankruptcy (and a credit score in the high 600’s):
Orchard Bank, Discover and Capital One all have numerous programs for some who has had a bankruptcy, and has rebuilt their credit since.  You can apply for and get apartment store credit cards (like Lowe’s etc).  WaMu used to be pretty forgiving on handing out credit cards, but no updates since the merger.

The best bet for anyone with a score under 700 is to check out your local credit union.  They usually are forgiving of a few dings and will give you a secured card with a reasonable rate.

Just out of a Bankruptcy, Secured cards:

  1. Bank of America has a good secured card program.
  2. Stay away from Capital One, First Premier, Orchard Bank (HSBC)
  3. There are lots of programs to which you can apply.  Good sites are bankrate.com and cardratings.com.
  4. Applying for and getting credit after a bankruptcy is the ticket to raising your credit score and opening the door to more credit.

MORTGAGES

  1. You can usually get an FHA loan, even after a bankruptcy.  The credit guidelines are usually more forgiving then conventional mortgages.
    1. Chapter 7 must be discharged 2 years with re-established credit and no late payments
    2. Minimum of 18 months with extenuating circumstances-requires explanation and proof.
    3. Chapter 13 ok with a minimum of 12 months in BK and 0×30 pmt history to trustee.
  2. Credit Unions may be able to give you equity lines, though not a “Primary” or “First” mortgage (they are not allowed to compete in this area with other lenders).
  3. Fannie and Freddie guidelines are 4 years  from the discharge of Chapter 7 Bankruptcy and 2 years 4 years  from the discharge of Chapter 13.

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5 Comments so far ↓

  • tony p

    Great post!

    Sounds like the esteemed JBQ got some love from the banking industry: who other than the lenders think Chap 13 is a good idea?

    I am going to pass this on to my clients. I see more and more headed to BK, but I want them to go with a clear understanding of the decision

  • jesse

    I am looking for information on failed BK CH 13. I filed but was not happy with the way things were going, 6 months into the process I cancelled the effort. the Court dismissed it in June 2008. So I have it reported on 2 credit reports as dismissed. How does this hurt me and can I have it deleted since I never when through with it?

  • D & S

    My wife & I got Chapter 7 BK debts discharged back in November. I was ready to get a secured CC account to start re-building credit. About 3 or 4 weeks after the discharge we received an unsecured CC offer from WaMu. The offering stated that we were pre-approved & would receive an account with a limit of between $200 to $1,500… I assumed we would get a $200 lomot CC… 10 days later the card showed up…. $5,000 LIMIT! Then Cap One started pelting us with an offer for another pre-approved card…. we took it, too……bingo!….another $2,000! My wife’s car lease is ending on Feb 10th… Cap One sent us a pre-approved, guaranteed “Blank Check” (their program) for up to $17,500.00 with an interest rate of 7.8% and up to 60 months to pay it off! I found a killer deal on a 2005 Jeep Grand Cherokee with only 26,000 miles on it for $14,000. Life is fine, and the burden that was lifted by Bankruptcy is but a memory (not of course without a major, life-lesson…)

    Now we get back to work and doing it right, this time.

    Thank You USA…the world’s greatest country!

    D & S

  • TS

    We filed bankruptcy in 11/08. Prior to this are credit scores for 20 years were 700 plus with no late payments. My wife lost her job and it sent us into a tail spin. Since then we received a credit card in 2/09 for 1000.00 from capitol one for both of us, separate accounts. During the bankruptcy I purchased a vehicle after my lease eneded and got a fair rate of 14 percent (2007 jeep) considering the situation. Now 6 months later my credit score is 648 and rising. You can recover from this and learn from your mistatkes. Make sure you have 3 to 6 months cash reserves and limit credit cards to nil to none with limits not over 2000.00. Pay off all debt as it comes and you will live debt free.

  • Deb

    What the heck? I filed BK (had to do Ch. 13 per lawyer advice). I paid 800 bucks per month for 5 years. Needed new car, had to get crap cars and try to save, paid cash. Took taxis for too many days. I paid off BK in 9/2008. Had to wait 6 months for DC papers from court. Meantime, I had to get a reliable car and had to pay 21% interest on 5000 bucks for car with a little device that requires a code to be entered when I pay or I can’t drive the car. Now, I’m trying to refi my house because I’m paying 7.75% interest. Told I can’t because it takes 2 years after DC for Ch. 13. Totally unfair–if I’d done Ch. 7 I’d be through the 4 required years. I filed Ch. 13 6 years ago and other people are upside down with mortgage and getting 4% interest and I paid like crazy and can’t get even 5% interest! Have only 90,000 left on mortgage, house worth over 150,000–how did you people get so much credit? I need insulation done on house and siding–paying tons in electric and gas and can’t qualify for HEAP or other grants because I make too much!!! I’m bailing out banks and getting screwed at the same time. HELP!

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