I’ve been enjoying the wonderful blog by SJ Mills at CAIPNJ.ORG as of late and his one man fight against Capital One and the company whom he calls Cap One co-conspirators, Pressler & Pressler, LLP.
Mr. Mills was sued by Pressler and Pressler, who named “Capital One” as the Plaintiff in the case. It turns out that Cap One no longer owned the account which was the subject of the lawsuit, but had charged it off. During the court proceedings, according to Mr. Mills, Mitchell Williamson of Pressler & Pressler admitted that AMER-TRAK or TRAKAMERICA assigned Pressler & Pressler the alleged account admitting that they were not hired by Capital One Bank!
Now, if we were to assume that Capital One Bank directly hired Pressler & Pressler then we would assume that a) Pressler & Pressler are actual lawyers, (which just can’t be true) and/or b) that Capital One Bank are knowingly committing FRAUD by not only attempting to Collect on a Defaulted Account, but by attempting to collect a Debt well beyond the Statute of Limitations and adding interest on an already collected account; even though they admitted that AMER-TRAK or TRAKAMERICA are handling the account.
And then there is this; if AMERTRAK or TRAKAMERICA are “handling” the account as stated, then Pressler & Pressler are actually collecting for AMERTRAK or TRAKAMERICA and NOT Capital One Bank like they sued me for over a year in the Bergen County Civil Court; thus proving FRAUD upon the Court and have committed fraud by attempting collection in a name other than the original supposed account holder.
I published a post in July in which I suspected that this was a regular practice by debt collectors trying to collect on Capital One accounts; they name Capital One as the Plaintiff, when they’ve actually been hired as a third party. As I pointed out in the above mentioned post, naming Cap One as the Plaintiff changes the rules of the game in court significantly. If the Plaintiff in a lawsuit is a third party (not the original creditor), basically everything they say in court can be ruled as hearsay. Besides, it’s out-and-out fraud. Just FYI, that post is by far the most popular post on this blog, garnering 87 comments.
I’m cheering for Mr. Mills, who has filed a lawsuit for fraud and harassment, among other things, in the New Jersey courts against Capital One, Pressler and Pressler, and various other persons. The case is not decided yet, but you can get tabs on his progress and read his voluminous accounts of his encounters from start to finish. It’s entertaining reading.
Update (4/3/2010): You’ll probably want to read this:Trado: Scott Mills Caipnj vs. Pressler Pressler. Full docket of the case.
Some one else left this opposing comment: DOCKET NO. A-3460-07T23460-07T2, New Century Financial vs. Dunn – Pressler and Pressler lost.
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Interesting site, but a whole lot of mis information
first the suit has to be in the name of the party holding the debt–or is ripe for motion to dismiss
always make your affirmative defenses–or you waive them
the attorny can not testify for the client–many states require a verified suit–ie someone from the cc company must sign under oath this is correct.
if any part of the complaint is scandalous–file a motion to strike–many complaints say you refused to pay–big no-no
never admit the claim or try to work out a deal–this many times re activates the statute of limitations that was about to expire–check these in your state–for open account–simple contract and written contract
use discovery!!!!!!–demand the original of every document, make someone from the cc company come and testify—learn your states evidence rules!!! documents have to be authenicated–if not are not admissiable read Hill v. Am Express if you are in Georgia–CC’s are simple contracts and 6 year SOL
read an alledged customer agreement–see if you have your copy–are they the same?–did they breach the contract first?
good Hunting!!!!
Jadga
Third party collection said they were Capital One, lot’s went wrong, not served, no witness, not complete bills, unknown card numbers etc, but got collectors got judgement through arbritation.
Please help me I have problems with Capital one. I have a collection agency calling me 20 times a day. I mailed in my payments and they where 8 days late in the mail on all three of my cards the charged me $29.00 + overlimit fees on all three cards. They have raised my interest rates `10% and put me in collection and I am not even thirty days late. They are beyond harrasment. They are also charging me a $4.00 membership fee every month. I have not used my credit cards in over a year and had the balances paid down and now they are $200.00 over limit because my payments are two days late every month becasue they switched my due dates. What can I do?
My suggestion is to stop paying them and send them a debt validation letter. You can read up on that here.
How do you identify debt collector / law firm as the real party of interest in a Lawsuit & not Capital One Bank ?
Mostly by asking for documentation during discovery.
Thank you , OK I am not the brightest bulb in the lamp.
What do I ask for in Discovery for them to produce that they are working for Capital one bank and not for themselves ?
Aren’t the lawyers going to reply falsely in Discovery that they have been retained by bank capital one ?
They might..you may want to ask for the Chain of Custody. (Do a search on this)
I got sued by a lawyer in TN, where I live, listing Cap One as plaintiff. I asked for verification and validation. I went to my first court date and they postponed. Within a week they provided a photo copy of an old statement and a signed card appliction. the account was delinquent for about 3 years. I sent off a request for further documents by certified mail and waited until my second court date. I went to the court date. They stated they didn’t recieve the request for further docs and took me to the judge. He looked at the staement and awarded them that amount. I asked about my request for further docs and he said I could get a lawyer and appeal. I don’t have money for that so I filed slow pay motion. Have to go to the court for that hearing now. I showed my paperwork to a lawyer and they said I was being sued by Cap one. I doubt it though. Any oppinions here. This is happening here by the hundereds a week if you look at the dockets.
Don’t be idots, just pay off your card and we won’t charge you the pd fee and the ol fee and then raise your interest to the default of 29.40%…..just get over and don’t misuse credit!
@ Capital One Assoiate-2/5/2010-
Even when bills are being paid-credit card companies are being allowed to make their own rules. Charging over the limit fee-because the account is late 2 days and your company charged a ” late fee” which caused the user to go over the limit-is not moraly right. Then trying to collect on” ghost” money-Meaning there is no actual item purchased SHOULD BE ILLEGAL. I AM GLAD THE Government has stepped in and realized HOW ridiculous these companies are getting. BY THE WAY-MOST OF THESE COMPANIES RECEIVED BAIL OUT MONEY FOR BAD DEBT ACCOUNTS-Now why havent they written off these past debt? GREED-GREED GREED-Seems to me like your the idiot-probably only have a high school degree getting paid 10 dollars an hour. Learn the ropes CAP ONE ASSOCIATE-BETTER YET-GET A REAL JOB.
You are right – if you’re doing things yourself – you need to be 100% positive you have your ducks in a row. And it’s ALWAYS advisable to seek the advice of an attorney.
To Kristy: Thank you for all your posts and information along with the forums.
I was just served today for a suit by an attorney who is a debt collector for Capital One but it does not reference any account number, agreements, and/or amounts. I cannot wait to file my response and plan on reporting the attorneys to the California Bar.
Anyone that is being harrrassed by pressler & pressler should look up this case, DOCKET NO. A-3460-07T23460-07T2, New Century Financial vs. Dunn. It has all our arguments in it and the Judges agreed and Defendant won not Pressler & Pressler, the biggest crooks. Don’t give up. Cite this case into your argument and the judge has to agree with you. Good Luck, . dolly
What happened to Mr Mills at CAIPNJ.ORG ?
What happened in his case ?
http://caipnj.blogspot.com/2008/11/pressler-pressler-admit-3rd-party.html
http://caipnj.blogspot.com/
Apparently his site was taken down for whatever reason.
do anyone have a agreement for capital one and household credit or know who the aribitrator for both of the credit card carriers
Anyone with a Judgment or complaint from Capital One Bank prior to 2007 should look carefully, since on court filed documents all over NY and presumably the county, their debt collector attorneys claimed they were a National Banking Association when factually they were not and actually were prohibted from transacting business as a National Bank at that time or prior to being chartered as such in 2007. Send it to your attorney general and the OCC. Don’t let them get away with violating Federal Laws and the National Bank Act.
Hello Dolores,
I have been harassed by Pressler and Pressler as we speak. Thay have a Judgement against me, which I dont even know how they got, but it has the Civil Court Clerk name on it also….its saying I need to pay 3,000.00 and must fill out a form listing all of my personal belongings and serisl numbers, or they will have a County Sheriff come by my home. This got ugly after they levy’d my Bank Account, which was mainly my wife’s money from out Tax Return….we are in foreclosure on home, and working that out…and behind in utility bills. I have been permanently disabled, and am on only SSD, which when they found out, they could not touch, or garnish….they started this about leins, and personal property. It says I only have 6 days to call them, and must fill out the forms with all questions answered, and send back to courts….with my SSD infor, SS#…and any personal belongings, and real estate owned by me, or automobile. I dont have any new or even close to new personal belongings, and have sold most of what I have that was worth anything…to get cash for bills, and pay people I borrowed from. Do I need to do this paperwork, and the Summons….its for late July in Civil Court….Any advice? How could citing the Dunn Docket help? Im assuming this is an old Boscov’s Credit card that I was unable to pay off, from years ago. When I got hurt, my incom suffered the most…medical bills, mortgage, 3 Kids, Car, Insurance, Utilities, etc….there isnt enough cash. I tried to work with them, and they told me, to use the money I offered for groceries…they want more than that, and too bad about my situation. I have no savings at all, and they levy’s the checking for almost the $2000.00 Tax Return. Again, which was nearly alll my wifes money. And they have a wage garnishment against her already, which was a crooked judge decision, I was there….so our available income, has been killed…..what is someone supposed to do. My SSD is next to nothing each month.
Thanks, R.J.