Quick Question on Auto Pulls

[Watsonsbag]

I probably asked this before but by supplying a lender with your SS#, even if you don't actually give permission to pull your reports, allow the lender (in this case a car dealership) to do hard inquiries?

This is what happened to my husband. I unfortunately signed for them to pull my credit but he talked to them over the phone and gave them his SS# (I could have screamed at him) but they didn't ask nor did he give permission for hard pulls. Now he is showing 4 pulls from this event.

Is it true that SS# = permission to pull your credit?

Thanks in advance.

[melisadawn]

4 pulls from 1 dealership?

[Watsonsbag]

7-26 - 2 from dealer

1 Household Auto

8-3 - Household Auto

There was only one visit to the dealership on 7-26 by little old me.

Since we have some serious reporting problems with the lenders foreclosing on our property, we are going to engage a consumer/credit/fraud lawyer. Might as well bring this to his attention as well.

This is why I hate dealerships.

[kb9tbq]

7-26 - 2 from dealer

1 Household Auto

8-3 - Household Auto

There was only one visit to the dealership on 7-26 by little old me.

Since we have some serious reporting problems with the lenders foreclosing on our property, we are going to engage a consumer/credit/fraud lawyer. Might as well bring this to his attention as well.

This is why I hate dealerships.

Rules of dealerships accessing credit reports - all pulls made within 14 days are counted as just one against the credit score. So looking at the dates you have provided (all of these are just one hit on the credit score) even though you will see the multiple listing on the credit report.

So you are fine on this part - very fortunate.. But yea you are right... just because you give the social security number does not automatically give them license to pull. They have to specifically have your verbal or written authorziation saying that you give them permissing to pull the credit report first.

This is a serious problem, because most lenders will assume authorization is there without having actually asked for it!

[Swede]

Is it true that SS# = permission to pull your credit?

Absolutely not, check out this FTC opinion letter and you'll see there's no PP here.

http://www.ftc.gov/os/statutes/fcra/coffey.htm

February 11, 1998

Karen Coffey, Chief Counsel

Texas Automobile Dealers Assn.

1108 Lavaca -- P. O. Box 1028

Austin, Texas 78767-1028

Re: Section 604 of the Fair Credit Reporting Act

Dear Ms. Coffey:

This responds to your letter dated August 29, 1997, asking the views of the Commission staff on a number of issues concerning application of the amended Fair Credit Reporting Act ("FCRA"), including (1) the propriety of an auto dealership obtaining a consumer report from a consumer reporting agency ("CRA") on an individual who visits the showroom, (2) the disclosure required to be provided to a job applicant or current employee before a consumer report may be obtained by the employer, and (3) the items required to be provided to the consumer before adverse action may be taken by the employer based on the report.

1. Section 604(a)(3)(F) permits CRAs to provide consumer reports to any party who has a "legitimate business need for the information in connection with a business transaction that is initiated by the consumer." You ask whether this provision allows a dealer to obtain a consumer report on a person who "comes to an automobile dealership and requests information" from a salesman about one or more automobiles. In our view it does not, because a request for general information about products and prices offered does not involve a business transaction initiated by the consumer.

More generally, you ask "when is the beginning of a business transaction" initiated by the consumer? In responding to this question, it is important to note that Section 604(a)(3)(F) limits this "business need" permissible purpose to transactions (i) that are "initiated" by the consumer and (ii) where the seller has a "legitimate business need" for the information. The staff's view is that an automobile dealer may obtain a report only in those circumstances in which the consumer clearly understands that he or she is initiating the purchase or lease of a vehicle and the seller has a legitimate business need for the consumer report information in order to complete the transaction.

For example, a consumer who asks a dealer questions about prices and financing is not necessarily indicating an intent to purchase or lease a vehicle from that particular dealer. Nor does the dealer have a "legitimate" business need for a consumer report in this situation. The consumer may simply be comparison shopping. In such a situation, the dealer must obtain written permission from the consumer before obtaining a consumer report. If the dealer would like to see a consumer's credit report before answering general questions about the availability of financing, this must be explained to the consumer and written permission must be obtained. In the same way, a request to "test drive" a vehicle does not indicate an intent to initiate the purchase or lease of the vehicle. Accordingly, if a consumer asks to test drive a vehicle, the dealer must obtain written permission from the consumer before obtaining a report.

Only in those circumstances where it is clear both to the consumer and to the dealer that the consumer is actually initiating the purchase or lease of a specific vehicle and, in addition, the dealer has a legitimate business need for consumer report information may the dealer obtain a report without written permission. In this regard, we note that obtaining information for negotiation purposes does not constitute a "legitimate" business need. The dealer must have a specific need for the information directly related to the completion of the transaction. For example, a dealer may obtain a report, if one is necessary, in order to arrange financing requested by the consumer.(1) The dealer may also obtain a report to check a consumer's creditworthiness when the consumer presents a personal check to pay for the vehicle. By contrast, a permissible purpose would not arise if a consumer intends to pay by cash.

2. Section 604((2)(A) requires consumer report users, before procuring a report for employment purposes, to make a written disclosure to the consumer "in a document that consists solely of the disclosure" that a consumer report may be obtained for employment purposes. You ask whether a party that has secured an employee's authorization for the report in an employment application must also make the disclosure in a separate document. The answer is yes, because Section 604((2)(A) specifically states that the document containing the required disclosure may not include other items.

You also ask what information may appear on the document and if "the FTC is suggesting that the document be of a certain size." It is our view that Congress intended that the disclosure not be encumbered with extraneous information. However, some additional information, such as a brief description of the nature of the consumer reports covered by the disclosure, may be included if the information does not confuse the consumer or detract from the mandated disclosure. We suggest no size requirement for the disclosure; a document that meets the "clear and conspicuous" standard set by the FCRA will be acceptable.

3. Finally, you ask two questions relating to Section 604((3), which requires an employer "before taking any adverse action" based on a consumer report, to provide the consumer with a copy of the report and the summary of consumer FCRA rights prescribed by the Commission. First, you ask if a CRA is responsible for sending the required summary to employers. The answer is yes, because Section 604((1)( imposes this duty on CRAs that provide reports for employment purposes. Second, you ask if there is any specific amount of time that must elapse from the time the required items are provided to the consumer and the employer's adverse employment action. The law is silent as to how long the employer must wait after making the Section 604((3) pre-adverse action disclosure before actually taking adverse action; it states only that the specified items be provided before the adverse action is taken. Employers may wish to consult with their counsel in order to develop procedures that are appropriate, keeping in mind the clear purpose of the provision to allow consumers to discuss the report with employers before adverse action is taken.

The opinions set forth in this informal staff letter are not binding on the Commission.

Yours truly,

David Medine