admin Posted July 19, 2004 Report Share Posted July 19, 2004 I whipped this up today - feel free to comment:http://www.creditinfocenter.com/rebuild/debt_validation_workflow.shtml 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocDon Posted July 19, 2004 Report Share Posted July 19, 2004 I like it! Just a couple small things. How about contacting the OC's executive offices and offering a "pay for delete" after the CA validates? Yes, it depends on the amount, the creditor, the age, etc., but sometimes the OC says "o.k." and recalls the collection. I've found this to be especially true with medical collections using the "confusing billing" cry letter.Along those lines, how about checking the SOL (and state laws to see if the CA can even collect) - instead of sending a DV, you send a letter demanding deletion.Just a thought.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parko03 Posted July 19, 2004 Report Share Posted July 19, 2004 Oooh, I like it. I think it would help out alot of newbies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
admin Posted July 19, 2004 Author Report Share Posted July 19, 2004 I like it! Just a couple small things. How about contacting the OC's executive offices and offering a "pay for delete" after the CA validates? Yes, it depends on the amount, the creditor, the age, etc., but sometimes the OC says "o.k." and recalls the collection. I've found this to be especially true with medical collections using the "confusing billing" cry letter.Along those lines, how about checking the SOL (and state laws to see if the CA can even collect) - instead of sending a DV, you send a letter demanding deletion.Just a thought....I'll see what I can do... I was trying to fit it on one page. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocPC Posted July 19, 2004 Report Share Posted July 19, 2004 Excellent! Make it a sticky! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anti-something Posted July 19, 2004 Report Share Posted July 19, 2004 good stuff, i like the visualisation! good for us visual learners what i personally would love to see added to it is links to "how to settle a debt" "how to write a DV" "how to dispute to a CRA" just to complete it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elyse449 Posted July 19, 2004 Report Share Posted July 19, 2004 COOL!! That completely covered my "question of the day" I was going to ask!! Thanks!Elyse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocDon Posted July 20, 2004 Report Share Posted July 20, 2004 I'll see what I can do... I was trying to fit it on one page.We could technically put every scenario in the chart and make it 6 pages by 6 pages If it won't fit, then it's not worth it - it's understandable the way it is now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
admin Posted July 20, 2004 Author Report Share Posted July 20, 2004 Glad you guys like it...Kristy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morrow Posted July 21, 2004 Report Share Posted July 21, 2004 Awesome! I really think that chart will make things alot easier for some people. We get alot of questions as to what the process is....now we can just point out the link. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glennsie Posted July 21, 2004 Report Share Posted July 21, 2004 love the flow chart! i'm going to follow it myself as i am on second dv to rjm sent 7/14 hopefully they will delete and leave me alone!equifax 780 experian 672 transunion 627 guess which two rjm reports to! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superrev Posted July 23, 2004 Report Share Posted July 23, 2004 Remember, the thirty day time frame is the time frame the debtor has to dispute the bill in writing. Nowhere in the FDCPA does it state that the agency has only thirty days to validate the debt. If the agency ceases collection efforts and it takes them sixty days to validate, they are still in compliance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocPC Posted July 23, 2004 Report Share Posted July 23, 2004 Remember, the thirty day time frame is the time frame the debtor has to dispute the bill in writing. Nowhere in the FDCPA does it state that the agency has only thirty days to validate the debt. If the agency ceases collection efforts and it takes them sixty days to validate, they are still in compliance.CA SUM! The 30 days is considered sufficient time to do your job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocDon Posted July 23, 2004 Report Share Posted July 23, 2004 Remember, the thirty day time frame is the time frame the debtor has to dispute the bill in writing. Nowhere in the FDCPA does it state that the agency has only thirty days to validate the debt. If the agency ceases collection efforts and it takes them sixty days to validate, they are still in compliance.You're right. There is no timeframe for the CA to validate. They cannot, however, pursue the collection until proper validation is presented.Likewise, there is no 30-day timeframe for a debtor to dispute the debt. The FDCPA says failure to do so will allow the CA to "assume the debt is valid". Big deal. I assume there's life on other planets - doesn't mean anything. The FDCPA also states that failure to dispute a collection does not indicate an admission of liability.So, a debtor can request validation whenever they want. The FDCPA does not say the debtor relinquishes their rights to validation after 30 days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocPC Posted July 23, 2004 Report Share Posted July 23, 2004 Remember, the thirty day time frame is the time frame the debtor has to dispute the bill in writing. Nowhere in the FDCPA does it state that the agency has only thirty days to validate the debt. If the agency ceases collection efforts and it takes them sixty days to validate, they are still in compliance.You're right. There is no timeframe for the CA to validate. They cannot, however, pursue the collection until proper validation is presented.Likewise, there is no 30-day timeframe for a debtor to dispute the debt. The FDCPA says failure to do so will allow the CA to "assume the debt is valid". Big deal. I assume there's life on other planets - doesn't mean anything. The FDCPA also states that failure to dispute a collection does not indicate an admission of liability.So, a debtor can request validation whenever they want. The FDCPA does not say the debtor relinquishes their rights to validation after 30 days.Damn Doc, you are much too calm..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocDon Posted July 23, 2004 Report Share Posted July 23, 2004 Damn Doc, you are much too calm..... Well, when you train a new hire on the FDCPA as a collector, these things tend to happen. Not a big deal really. We've had people come in and spout off about how they know this and that - they move on eventually. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocPC Posted July 23, 2004 Report Share Posted July 23, 2004 Damn Doc, you are much too calm..... Well, when you train a new hire on the FDCPA as a collector, these things tend to happen. Not a big deal really. We've had people come in and spout off about how they know this and that - they move on eventually.Point well taken. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdc2027 Posted August 5, 2004 Report Share Posted August 5, 2004 Thank you so much for this flow chart- it is printed and hanging up(should be framed ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
you_lied Posted September 16, 2004 Report Share Posted September 16, 2004 So I totally understand now. I'm ready to do the DV thing right, the question I have is:I have a letter to go to the CA, but what kind of letter should I send to the Credit Bureaus? I have looked around, tried to read all the posts first, but still no love.What do y'all think?Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DocDon Posted September 16, 2004 Report Share Posted September 16, 2004 I find it hard to believe that you didn't find information on sending a dispute letter to the CRAs. 90% of the threads discuss that very topic. All you have to do is dispute the entries. There is no legal jargon or official letter to do this. Simply, dispute the entries (never late, not 30 days late on xx/xxxx, balance should be $xxx, do not recognize this creditor, etc). You can send them via USPS, or do it online. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kristin36 Posted September 16, 2004 Report Share Posted September 16, 2004 AWESOME!!! Thank you SO much! I'm more a 'visual' person and this is great!! I just posted in my thread on the BK Board to LadynRed about what to do, and this just answered part of my problem. http://debt-consolidation-credit-repair-service.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=20033&start=15 Verizon, Allied Interstate and ALL CRA's!! ME!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yikes Posted November 17, 2004 Report Share Posted November 17, 2004 Awesome work! I wish I had this about two months ago! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
divemedic Posted January 23, 2005 Report Share Posted January 23, 2005 superrev is correct. The CA does not have to do anything.Look at item 3 of the Cass letter:http://www.ftc.gov/os/statutes/fdcpa/letters/cass.htmSo here is how you beat them:After you get the green card back, pull your CR and request investigation from the CRA. Then, this forces the CA to either re-report (a Violation) or allow deletion for lack of response to the investigation (a win). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
krelza Posted February 7, 2005 Report Share Posted February 7, 2005 I've checkout out the flow chart and have one question. If the CA doesn't validate after 30 days, why would someone write them again giving them 15 days to do the same thing they didn't/couldn't do in 30? To me 30 days is plenty enough time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
divemedic Posted February 7, 2005 Report Share Posted February 7, 2005 If they verify to the CRA after the first DV wothout validating to the consumer, and then do it again, this make a better case for willful as opposed to negligent non-compliance. This allows for a better case should you sue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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