thecollectionagent Posted January 15, 2008 Report Share Posted January 15, 2008 I got a letter today form Court-Ordered Debt Collectors out of CA for some tickets they say I got in CA. I never got any tickets in CA. So showed I DV them or Send them a C&D they are not licensed in the state of Arizona. Arizona requires them to be to collect in the state. So what should I send them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ahntara Posted January 15, 2008 Report Share Posted January 15, 2008 DV.If the tickets truely are not yours, send the proper ID Theft/Fraud documents required by the FCRA to both the CA and the CRA's. The list is found in 1681c-2, Subsection 605B. The definition of, and reason for, a valid ID Theft report can be found at 1681z, Subsection 603(q). There is a sticky at the top of the page. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecollectionagent Posted January 15, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2008 oh I forgot there letter does not have a mini maranda in it and it all demands full payment within 10 days before they."these actions may include one or more of the following without further noticeGarnishing your wages or other sources of income;Attaching your bank accountseizing and selling your real or personal propertyfilling a lien which will attach to all real property you now own or may later acquire in California"'Partial payment will not stop collection action or addition of interest you must pay full amount due."thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Methuss Posted January 15, 2008 Report Share Posted January 15, 2008 Sorry. Tickets are not "debts" under the FDCPA so the law doesn't apply. Not only do they not have to comply with DV requests, they also don't have to follow any of the other provisions of the FDCPA. That means they can harass you and your family until the sun explodes and there is no law to stop them.Your only recourse is to hire a lawyer to challenge the citations and have it recalled...if you have proof you did not incur the tickets personally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecollectionagent Posted January 15, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2008 I called them They say they are Legal status and they are just going to Garnish my wages and I can not dispute them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecollectionagent Posted January 15, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2008 Sorry. Tickets are not "debts" under the FDCPA so the law doesn't apply. Not only do they not have to comply with DV requests, they also don't have to follow any of the other provisions of the FDCPA. That means they can harass you and your family until the sun explodes and there is no law to stop them.Your only recourse is to hire a lawyer to challenge the citations and have it recalled...if you have proof you did not incur the tickets personally.BUT THEY ARE NOT MINE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecollectionagent Posted January 15, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2008 Transactions Covered by the FDCPA Debts that fall under the FDCPA include consumer debts where the transaction was for personal, family, or household purposes, whether or not such obligation has been reduced to judgment. The Act does not apply to commercial debts.5 The following are covered by the FDCPA:6 Dishonored checksRentMedical billsUtility billsInsurance bills and claimsStudent loansCredit cardsCondominium feesAttorney feesJudgmentsObligations discharged in bankruptcyOther personal debts (e.g., parking tickets, auto loans) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecollectionagent Posted January 15, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2008 Are they parking tickets? Has your car been to CA w/out you?Trolley Tickets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarolinaBlueEyes Posted January 15, 2008 Report Share Posted January 15, 2008 you have to be specific... I was thinking concert tickets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecollectionagent Posted January 15, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2008 you have to be specific... I was thinking concert ticketsTROLLEY <LIGHT RAIL> TICKETSaLSO i GUESS THEY ARE THE LEGAL DEPT FOR ALLIANCE ONE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecollectionagent Posted January 15, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2008 According to them I can not dispute it.I can do the fellowing1. Pay it in full2.Go to the courthouse and look at the ticket than pay it3. Pay it.I do not think They seen any ID Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecollectionagent Posted January 15, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2008 You could probably get a fairly inexpensive lawyer in the city in CA in question. It may be cheaper than paying the tickets and I would imagine that there would be a way to prove you weren't in CA on the dates of the alleged citations? Sounds like a road trip to CA may be in order.yeha they say i owe them 1118 not happening i will get a laywer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecollectionagent Posted January 15, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2008 You sure they have the right "thecollectionagent"? Or did they pull your name out of their a$$es from Lexis/Nexis? Gotta be hundreds of people running around out there with their own mini-me's.you know I asked a question about something that is not mine I really do not think you got to sit here and be a dick talking ****! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecollectionagent Posted January 15, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2008 sorry. no my last name is stengel. The process works I was told you give a "trolly cop" your ssn and all they got to do is call it in you get you id number so it seems real shadyFailure to Appear, Pay or ComplyFailure to resolve your traffic ticket by the due date may result in a $300.00 civil assessment penalty being added to the original bail and a referral to a collection agency pursuant to Penal Code 1214.1, or a warrant for your arrest and/or suspension of your driver's license. In addition, if your account is referred to civil assessment, you may be subject to wage garnishments and bank levies through the Franchise Tax Board Court Ordered Debt Collection Program (see Cases in Collection ).If you have failed to appear on a traffic case and a warrant has been issued, you may either pay the total bail indicated on the warrant notice or appear in court. Warrants cannot be settled over the phone.Each subsequent failure to appear, failure to pay or failure to comply with a court order may result in an additional $300.00 civil assessment or warrant. Cases In Collection Failure to resolve your traffic ticket by the due date may result in a $300.00 civil assessment penalty being added to the original bail amount and a referral of the case to a collection agency pursuant to Penal Code 1214.1.A traffic ticket referred to collection may result in the suspension of your driver's license and may be subject to wage garnishments and bank levies through the Franchise Tax Board Court Ordered Debt Collection Program.The suspension will not be lifted until the bail set on the citation or the total amount of the fine and the $300.00 assessment is paid in full.Once full payment is received, the California State Department of Motor Vehicles will be notified to release the suspension hold on the driver's license.Driving with a suspended license is a misdemeanor offense and may result in the vehicle driven at the time the offense is committed being impounded for a period of 30 days. [*]Once your traffic ticket has been referred for collection, please address all correspondence, payments and questions to the following agency: AllianceOne8589 Aero DriveSan Diego, CA 92123Phone: (877) 541-8420 If the case is not resolved within 6 months of being assigned to the collection agency, the case will be forwarded to the State of California Franchise Tax Board for collection and you may be subject to wage garnishments and bank levies through the Franchise Tax Board Court Ordered Debt Collection Program. All correspondence and payments are to be made directly to the Franchise Tax Board. Franchise Tax BoardCourt Ordered Debt Collection ProgramP. O. Box 1328Rancho Cordova, CA 95741-1328(916) 845-4064 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecollectionagent Posted January 15, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2008 Ok so a real quick recapCourt-Ordered Debt Collecters is the "legal dept" for Alliance One. If I want to dispute the debt I must contact Alliance One they say.Alliance One says you can not dispute a debt for a trolley ticket you owe it!Could some one help me out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ms6073 Posted January 15, 2008 Report Share Posted January 15, 2008 Is this trolley company a city run outfit or is this Alliance 1 a private company or a contractor for a city contract?My take is that if you have never ridden the trolley in question and/or never been to California, then you need to contact the Attorney General in your state and California and file complaints, maybe even take steps as if you had been a victim of identity theft as well! No legal or morally compelling reason for you to pay for illegal actions of someone else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecollectionagent Posted January 15, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2008 Alliance 1 is private company Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
debtorshusband Posted January 15, 2008 Report Share Posted January 15, 2008 OK, let me see if I have this straight.You received a letter from Alliance One, stating that you have unpaid traffic tickets, which have been turned over to them for collection. They told you you can't dispute (and we all know that collection agencies always tell the truth, right?)Let's not get bogged down with DV'ing or C&D'ing, or whether or not they're licensed, and go back to the basics. I think you stop talking to them on the phone, and your FIRST step is to respond with a letter to them (CRRR), stating as many of these points as are true:-You are a resident of Arizona-You have never been to California-You were not in California on the dates the tickets were issued (if known)-You have never ridden the light rail in California-You did not ride the light rail on the dates the tickets were issued (if known)-You have never received a ticket on the California light rail system-You have never been notified of a ticket -You have never been ordered to appear in court regarding a ticket-You have received no prior notice of any fine owedAnd finally, you have no intention of paying a fine that is not yours, and if they think they have any evidence to the contrary, you want to see it.Then, the ball's in their court, see how they respond.DH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andbowd Posted January 15, 2008 Report Share Posted January 15, 2008 Very good information. Thank you interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecollectionagent Posted January 16, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 ok I had a Very long day. this is what I found out and did.1.I contacted The San Diego Superior Court Found out they hired Alliance One. Alliance One is a 3rd party debt collector who hires another 3rd party debt collector called Court-Ordered Debt Collectors witch is pretty much AO legal dept. 2. SDSC said to send them a letter with a copy of my id notarized and a juge will look at that and decide the validity of the ticket.3. I than contacted Arizona AG to file a compliment against Alliance One for breaking the FDCPA and one against Court-Ordered Debt Collectors for breaking the FDCPA and also not being licensed in my state.4. I than contacted the FTC and filed a compliment against Alliance One and Court-Ordered Debt Collectors for breaking the FDCPA.5. I sent both Alliance One and Court-Ordered Debt Collectors a DV with a green card on it 6. The funny thing was when I contacted Alliance One last night the real smart collector that was being recored was so nice to say they are just going to sue me and i can not dispute a debt I need to get a lawyer cause I will need one. I took her advice and showed the letter and played the tape to Joshua Trigsted of Weisberg & Meyers LLC. His words where this "We have a open and shut case of unfair debt collection.. He will be adding his fees on to the suit . Guess she should have not said they are a government entity.Oh your wrong collection agent do till the truth "Get a lawyer your going to need it!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecollectionagent Posted January 16, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 Was that over-shadowing?unsure Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecollectionagent Posted January 16, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 16, 2008 yeah it was a big **** up on there end Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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