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Has anyone heard about the 8 states declaring sovereignty under the 10th amendment? I saw Washington's state site with the declaration. Not sure what this means; if anything.

The states reported to have declared sovereignty are:

Washington

Arizona

New Hampshire

Montana

Michigan

Missouri

Oklahoma

Hawaii

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Has anyone heard about the 8 states declaring sovereignty under the 10th amendment? I saw Washington's state site with the declaration. Not sure what this means; if anything.

The states reported to have declared sovereignty are:

Washington

Arizona

New Hampshire

Montana

Michigan

Missouri

Oklahoma

Hawaii

That would account for all the whackjobs out here in AZ. :)

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I just heard Colorado has been added to the list.

I'm not too fond of that federal ID thing either. It takes away from state powers.

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If Ohio had voted for a Constitutional Convention a few weeks ago, we would be one state's vote away from real mess. The states have realized they were tricked into voting for a Con-Con over the last 30 years or so. Google "constitutional convention" to see what I talking about.

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I'm just wondering what took so long. State rights have been trampled for so long now its unreal. The fed gov't is explicitly a limited government- lol. They are truly out of control. Look at this latest round of bankrupting the nation.

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Why is everybody up in arms about a federal ID? How are they going to trample our rights with it?

Many of us already have one--it's called a passport.

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Bigger issue here. The federal gov't has been mandating for decades. The federal system was set up to be a coalition of states coming together to perform the tasks that no one state could do on its own (national defense, patents, interstate commerce, issuance of money, some portions of bankruptcy, etc). We are so far from that form of government that its unrocognizable and seems foreign to many who haven't read the Constitution (probably most?).

This was part of my beef with the recent Stimulus II bill signed today. It federalized many previous state rules. "You get x dollars state, but you must agree to y & z". This is how the federal government has coerced states to harmonize with what the feds feel is optimal and have destroyed the very strength of federalism. Federalism thrives on a variety of methods of government with each producing a variety of results. When it becomes evident what form is optimal, other states adopt it (or don't, its their right). That's the beauty of it. And its been crushed by a federal gov't that mistakenly thinks this is a top down type of government. They're wrong but its not challenged because the garbage that comes out of journalism schools is an embarrassment.

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Texas has been trying this for ages. I wish something would actually come out of it, but I digress. This is just basically the States saying we've had enough of being overruled by the federal government and this is our way of throwing a tantrum 8-) It really wouldn't come into effect unless our new president decides to try and ban firearms or anything CRAZY like that!

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HAHAHA

YES this is regarding the Federal ID thing.

WA and AZ and TX and some other border states are doing their own thing - called EDL - Enhanced Driver licenses. I've got one for my cruise. It is the Same thing as a passport card for land/sea border crossings.

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Since it's apparent that the 10th amendment has been around forever... I'm surprised no one has asked the question of why states are just NOW started to declare sovereignty. I wonder why.

I'm thinking this has been done before which led to the civil war. Is there a difference between declarng sovereigty and declaring independence?

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Yes.

Sovereignty is basically "don't bully me, I"m my own person, mom!"

Independence is essentially the same thing as going thru Emancipation - total divorce of parents.

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the news this morning declared lincoln as our greatest president according to some poll or another.

you remember him...he's the one who wiped his butt with the 10th amendment, among others.:D

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Texas signed on today.

Texas Rep. Creighton files concurrent resolution which states:

81R5789 MMS-F

By: Creighton H.C.R. No. 50

CONCURRENT RESOLUTION

WHEREAS, The Tenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States reads as follows: "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people";

and

WHEREAS, The Tenth Amendment defines the total scope of federal power as being that specifically granted by the Constitution of the United States and no more; and

WHEREAS, The scope of power defined by the Tenth Amendment means that the federal government was created by the states specifically to be an agent of the states; and

WHEREAS, Today, in 2009, the states are demonstrably treated as agents of the federal government; and

WHEREAS, Many federal laws are directly in violation of the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States; and

WHEREAS, The Tenth Amendment assures that we, the people of the United States of America and each sovereign state in the Union of States, now have, and have always had, rights the federal government may not usurp; and

WHEREAS, Section 4, Article IV, of the Constitution says, "The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government," and the Ninth Amendment states that "The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people" and

WHEREAS, The United States Supreme Court has ruled in New York v. United States, 112 S. Ct. 2408 (1992), that congress may not simply commandeer the legislative and regulatory processes of the states; and

WHEREAS, A number of proposals from previous administrations and some now pending from the present administration and from congress may further violate the Constitution of the United States; now, therefore, be it

RESOLVED, That the 81st Legislature of the State of Texas hereby claim sovereignty under the Tenth Amendment to the Constitution of the United States over all powers not otherwise enumerated and granted to the federal government by the Constitution of the United States; and, be it further

RESOLVED, That this serve as notice and demand to the federal government, as our agent, to cease and desist, effective immediately, mandates that are beyond the scope of these constitutionally delegated powers; and, be it further

RESOLVED, That all compulsory federal legislation that directs states to comply under threat of civil or criminal penalties or sanctions or that requires states to pass legislation or lose federal funding be prohibited or repealed; and, be it further

RESOLVED, That the Texas secretary of state forward official copies of this resolution to the president of the United States, to the speaker of the house of representatives and the president of the senate of the United States Congress, and to all the members of the Texas delegation to the congress with the request that this resolution be officially entered in the Congressional Record as a memorial to the Congress of the United States of America.

http://www.legis.state.tx.us/tlodocs/81R/billtext/html/HC00050I.htm

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the news this morning declared lincoln as our greatest president according to some poll or another.

you remember him...he's the one who wiped his butt with the 10th amendment, among others.:D

The MSM is reporting that mainly because the messiah in chief admires him.

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Don't laugh. It could very well happen in our lifetimes, if not sooner.

Sooner? You mean before our lifetimes?

Snark aside, I can't see it happening. What a nightmare that would be, on all levels.

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Sooner? You mean before our lifetimes?

Snark aside, I can't see it happening. What a nightmare that would be, on all levels.

Who woulda thunk back in the late 80s that the old Soviet Union would break up into a dozen or so nation states and turn capitalist? Such a breakup of the U.S. would be the more likely scenario, as opposed to a repeat of 1861 where states secede.

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Just in time for 2012.

Depression, huge spending bill, massive national debt, no win situation in the middle east, nuclear Iran, China and Russia out-competing us for resourses and diplomatic influence, near civil war in Mexico, and now states declaring soverignty.

Better stock up on popcorn.

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Just in time for 2012.

Depression, huge spending bill, massive national debt, no win situation in the middle east, nuclear Iran, China and Russia out-competing us for resourses and diplomatic influence, near civil war in Mexico, and now states declaring soverignty.

Better stock up on popcorn.

It's even getting better as time goes on.

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