Weary Traveler Posted November 19, 2012 Report Share Posted November 19, 2012 Just a hypothetical situation here that I need to get opinions about:A person has a credit card with Big Bank and their limit is $10,000. They owed Big Bank $8,000.The person made the minimum payment of $250 on Big Bank's card and the next payment cycle finds out their interest rate has been raised to 18%, they've been charged an over limit fee and the minimum payment is now $525. Their credit limit has been lowered to $7500, interest was added in making their balance $7750 plus a late fee. Once again, they are over the limit.The person makes the next payment of $625. The credit limit is then lowered to $7000, interest is added in plus a late fee. Interest rate is raised to 28%.And so on, and so on....Is it legal for a creditor to set the consumer up in a "no win scenario" where each time a payment is made, the limit is lowered to the new balance, thus causing the consumer to be over the limit each time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
racecar Posted November 19, 2012 Report Share Posted November 19, 2012 Banks Trimming Limits for Many on Credit Cards - NYTimes.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Weary Traveler Posted November 19, 2012 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2012 Thanks RaceCar. Good (or bad?) to know many Americans were rowing the same boat with this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coltfan1972 Posted November 19, 2012 Report Share Posted November 19, 2012 The lowering of the credit to under the current balance, I can't imagine does not violate some banking law. However the jacking of the interest rate and then keeping the available credit just a few bucks over what is owed is a very popular, and to the best of my knowledge legal, tactic. It's basically the reason many of us, myself included, said screw you to the banks, and turned the tables on them. You can only push people around so much, legal or not, before the line in the sand is drawn. Unfortunately for the banks, they did not realize how many consumers would say "enough" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BV80 Posted November 19, 2012 Report Share Posted November 19, 2012 This is from the Credit Card Accountability Responsibility and Disclosure Act of 2009:SEC. 101. PROTECTION OF CREDIT CARDHOLDERS.(a) ADVANCE NOTICE OF RATE INCREASE AND OTHER CHANGESREQUIRED.—(1) AMENDMENT TO TILA.—Section 127 of the Truth inLending Act (15 U.S.C. 1637) is amended by adding at theend the following:‘‘(i) ADVANCE NOTICE OF RATE INCREASE AND OTHER CHANGESREQUIRED.—‘‘(1) ADVANCE NOTICE OF INCREASE IN INTEREST RATEREQUIRED.—In the case of any credit card account under anopen end consumer credit plan, a creditor shall provide a writtennotice of an increase in an annual percentage rate (exceptin the case of an increase described in paragraph (1), (2),or (3) of section 171() not later than 45 days prior to theeffective date of the increase.‘‘(2) ADVANCE NOTICE OF OTHER SIGNIFICANT CHANGESREQUIRED.—In the case of any credit card account under anopen end consumer credit plan, a creditor shall provide a writtennotice of any significant change, as determined by ruleof the Board, in the terms (including an increase in any feeor finance charge, other than as provided in paragraph (1))of the cardholder agreement between the creditor and theobligor, not later than 45 days prior to the effective date ofthe change.‘‘(3) NOTICE OF RIGHT TO CANCEL.—Each notice requiredby paragraph (1) or (2) shall be made in a clear and conspicuousmanner, and shall contain a brief statement of the right ofthe obligor to cancel the account pursuant to rules establishedby the Board before the effective date of the subject rateincrease or other change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtVandelay Posted November 19, 2012 Report Share Posted November 19, 2012 You can read the rules and file a complaint here.CFPB > Consumer Financial Protection BureauI believe Dodd-Frank may be of use if it happened to you recently.Dodd-Frank and the LawIf it happened before Dodd-Frank was passed and the CFPB was created then you are probably out in the cold. When the The Bankruptcy Abuse Prevention and "Consumer Protection Act:ROFLMAO2:" of 2005 was passed it basically turned the credit card business into the wild west. The banks started doing things like this just after the BAPCPA was passed in 2005 and it accelerated going into 2008.Good Luck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrunoTheJDBkiller Posted November 19, 2012 Report Share Posted November 19, 2012 I would say that lowering the limit on the card is legit if it is done so as to prevent you from making further charges. Banks usually do this to protect themselves. They have reviewed your history and have determined that you are no longer creditworthy, and they are within their rights to refuse you further credit.That aside, rigging the limit so that the interest and late fee puts you over limit each month subjecting you to further charges is a definite no no. Regulation Z Section 226.56(4) Over-the-limit fees attributed to fees or interest. A card issuer may not impose an over-the-limit fee or charge for a billing cycle if a consumer exceeds a credit limit solely because of fees or interest charged by the card issuer to the consumer's account during that billing cycle. For purposes of this paragraph (j)(4), the relevant fees or interest charges are charges imposed as part of the plan under § 226.6((3). You can also add up the interest and all the fees and late charges, take the total, and compute it against the balance to see what the REAL interest rate is. The Smiley case in California and then the US Supreme Court established that these fees are considered to be interest. If the actual rate exceeds either the legal rate or the rate they are charging you, they are in violation. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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