spacemandave Posted June 20, 2013 Report Share Posted June 20, 2013 Is anyone familiar with a CA operating out of a mail drop in California? Got a call from a JDB misrepresenting a zombie debt. Leaves a phone number that is forwarded through an intermediary. Has promised a lawsuit but I really doubt that it will happen. The alleged debt is less than $600. The address of the mail drop is:3045 S. Archibald AveOntario, CA 91761 At the very least he has:Misrepresented the debt as being within the SOL.He may have threatened that a lawsuit was imminent. (claimed that armed officers would be at our door at 9:00 AM the next day).Not supplied a "mini-miranda".I doubt if they will follow up with written communication. I haven't checked my credit report yet to see if he has reported it to CRA's (I seriously doubt it) I'm working on a DV now to send to his mail drop. It would be nice to get an identity if it rises to a level that would warrant a legal response. Any suggestions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
admin Posted June 20, 2013 Report Share Posted June 20, 2013 Is anyone familiar with a CA operating out of a mail drop in California? Got a call from a JDB misrepresenting a zombie debt. Leaves a phone number that is forwarded through an intermediary. Has promised a lawsuit but I really doubt that it will happen. The alleged debt is less than $600. Misrepresented the debt as being within the SOL.He may have threatened that a lawsuit was imminent. (claimed that armed officers would be at our door at 9:00 AM the next day).Not supplied a "mini-miranda".I doubt if they will follow up with written communication. I haven't checked my credit report yet to see if he has reported it to CRA's (I seriously doubt it) I'm working on a DV now to send to his mail drop. It would be nice to get an identity if it rises to a level that would warrant a legal response. Any suggestions?Are you saying you recorded the message and still have it - @spacemandave? If you want to sue them, you will need to find a registered agent. Registeredagentinfo.com or call your state's corporation commission. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacemandave Posted June 20, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 20, 2013 No, I fully expect him to crawl back under a rock, but I'm exploring options in case he doesn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clydesmom Posted June 20, 2013 Report Share Posted June 20, 2013 If it is operating out of a mail drop, threatening armed officers, and the amount is anywhere from $400-$600 then this is the payday loan scam it is NOT a debt that was ever yours. I got two of these calls last week from one with literally the exact same script except supposedly I had court "tomorrow." NO ONE ever showed up to serve me and they would not tell me what court so I could go down and arrange for service. NO surprise there. I managed to find an email address to send the cease and desist to. It is a VERY clear violations but after speaking with a consumer attorney they said suing is nearly impossible because they use that mail drop as a business address even with the state. By the time you actually find someone to sue IF you can even find them to serve them they have folded up their tents, closed, and moved to another county and/or state to start over under a new name. I would go ahead and send the cease and desist letter to the drop box so that when they recycle this scam they put your name and number on the "won't fall for it" list instead of the "keep trying" list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacemandave Posted June 20, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 20, 2013 @ClydesmomThanks. That's what I figured, but the evil side of me had visions of this scum sauntering up to his PO Box expecting a payday and getting served with a federal summons. Give it the whole Dateline treatment like they did to the crew in Niagara Falls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clydesmom Posted June 20, 2013 Report Share Posted June 20, 2013 @ClydesmomThanks. That's what I figured, but the evil side of me had visions of this scum sauntering up to his PO Box expecting a payday and getting served with a federal summons. Give it the whole Dateline treatment like they did to the crew in Niagara Falls. Oh but were that possible. The evil side of me did too but the attorney I contacted stated it wouldn't happen. What they do is insist on a prepaid Visa/MC, credit/debit card, or ACH withdrawal. The only thing the drop box is used for is to create the business for the state. They probably never go there. There is a thread on another board in the past week or so that got the same scripted call from one of these scum bags. When they blocked their number as unknown and she answered she had them over a barrel. She had started her thread and found out all about the scam by the time they called back and got her on the line. She told them she had a money order ready to mail and the woman told her they only took the payment methods I mentioned and to go "cash it in and get a green dot card to pay them." The poster refused and again said she was mailing the M.O. The woman actually screamed at her to do it their way. To which the consumer replied perhaps it would be better to speak again when she calmed down. The woman said she wasn't calling her back. Of course they haven't because they know they won't get any money. This is why consumer lawyers won't waste time chasing them. They are long gone before you can even get them served and payments are virtually untraceable. They could be picking it up ANYWHERE much like Western Union. I would file a complaint with the AG in California. I did do that in the state my scammer was allegedly out of. FTC too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torden Posted June 21, 2013 Report Share Posted June 21, 2013 The address of the mail drop is:3045 S. Archibald AveOntario, CA 91761I actually looked there on Google Maps. It identified a business there named "Fantastic Sams". I actually first read that as "Fantastic Scams". I wonder. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seadragon Posted June 21, 2013 Report Share Posted June 21, 2013 I actually looked there on Google Maps. It identified a business there named "Fantastic Sams". I actually first read that as "Fantastic Scams". I wonder.No Fantastic Sams is a haircutting franchise here in California it is legit BUT some of the tenants in that shopping mall are suspicious. http://maps.google.com/maps?bav=on.2,or.r_qf.&bvm=bv.48175248,d.cGE&biw=1366&bih=598&q=3045+s+archibald+ave+ontario+ca&um=1&ie=UTF-8&hq=&hnear=0x80dccad4053904b1:0xacc97346c8bf443d,3045+S+Archibald+Ave,+Ontario,+CA+91761&gl=us&sa=X&ei=x7TCUaLdH4agiQKZjoHoBQ&ved=0CCoQ8gEwAA So you have to apologize to Fantastic Sams and they give OK haircuts for 9 dollars sometimes 7 with a coupon from the shoppers weekly magazine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spacemandave Posted June 21, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2013 He is probably operating out of the mailing center - Postal Annex+. If it is as Clydesmom suggests, the PO Box probably isn't under his real name or he paid somebody to set it up. The phone number to which we got transferred is probably a burner cell phone. It's kind of funny, I hadn't stopped to consider an outright scam that didn't involve a JDB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
admin Posted June 21, 2013 Report Share Posted June 21, 2013 The P.O. Box could be under his real name. It's just that you can't serve anyone at a mailboxes etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clydesmom Posted June 21, 2013 Report Share Posted June 21, 2013 The P.O. Box could be under his real name. It's just that you can't serve anyone at a mailboxes etc. Not by mail or Sheriff/Marshall but if one was willing to spend for a private process server to hang out and wait for him to show up and get the mail you could. That however, could get REALLY expensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nobk4me Posted June 21, 2013 Report Share Posted June 21, 2013 Not by mail or Sheriff/Marshall but if one was willing to spend for a private process server to hang out and wait for him to show up and get the mail you could. That however, could get REALLY expensive. In some states service by mail is allowed. And, I believe in order to get a PO Box, you have to fill out a form at the post office which states your residential address. I assume a process server of court officer could gain access to that info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clydesmom Posted June 22, 2013 Report Share Posted June 22, 2013 In some states service by mail is allowed. And, I believe in order to get a PO Box, you have to fill out a form at the post office which states your residential address. I assume a process server of court officer could gain access to that info. Yes, service by mail is allowed in some states but I believe it has to be to an actual address not a mailbox/P.O. Box. You do have to show ID at the post office which is why the scammers switched to mail box drop boxes like at mail supply stores (Mail Boxex etc.) because the requirement is only that you pay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kutuzov Posted June 22, 2013 Report Share Posted June 22, 2013 As everyone else pointed this is just another scam, if they call back, tell them you'll like to mail the payment but need their address, tell them you only mail to physical address or post office mail box, and they probably will get you off the scam list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
admin Posted June 23, 2013 Report Share Posted June 23, 2013 I believe in Texas they have to serve in person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BV80 Posted June 23, 2013 Report Share Posted June 23, 2013 The call to the OP reeks of a scam. A problem I see here is that the company may not actually exist. If it's not a registered entity and you don't know the name of the owner or registered agent, how do you prove the company exists in order to sue them? I don't know if you have to prove a company exists in order to sue them, but I'd think you'd want to know some details in order to make sure you're not wasting your time. He could sue, and the JDB might respond in some way. However, even if he could prove the company exists and gets a default judgment, would he ever get his money? He could very well be wasting his money. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kutuzov Posted June 24, 2013 Report Share Posted June 24, 2013 Just another scam in my opinion, treat it as such, maybe if you get enough info file a complaint with the AG but that's about it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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